tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post2302155188015923213..comments2024-03-22T08:28:53.318+00:00Comments on marketsforISK: Using Rush Jobs leads me to better profits.Crodahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16620994327943613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-54262156792998571052014-02-02T14:14:53.037+00:002014-02-02T14:14:53.037+00:00I regularly use Red Frog, and they always deliver ...I regularly use Red Frog, and they always deliver my stuff from Jita to Hek in under 6 hours. I never ask them for rush jobs, and the cost for Jita - Hek is 11.5mil. I believe that Jita-Dodixie is not much more (can't remember how many jumps from the top of my head right now)Raviy Oylahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11145636127895975279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-60401916840398035492014-01-29T18:48:41.946+00:002014-01-29T18:48:41.946+00:00A tip for PushX and generally hauling:
If you kee...A tip for PushX and generally hauling:<br /><br />If you keep your volume under 9.5k and your collateral under 1.5b you will usually get your orders filled within 12 hours without a rush order. This is because it can be run by blockade runners, and there are lots of pilots looking for those jobs.TopCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09003314745652640967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-71041466719899084622014-01-27T17:19:27.313+00:002014-01-27T17:19:27.313+00:00I have a Red Frog alt hauler and the queue of jobs...I have a Red Frog alt hauler and the queue of jobs waiting to be accepted and delivered is rarely over 24 hours - and those are for trips from remote areas to other remote areas usually. A cargo from Jita to Dodixie would get delivered much quicker (I'm sure this is the same for the Push haulers too). <br /><br />As an added incentive, you might add a couple million to the reward - on the Red Frog board this is noted prominently - and it will get priority service from someone looking for extra isk. If you boost the 5.8 million reward up to 8 million - I'd be amazed if it didn't get delivered in a matter of hours (it certainly wouldn't sit there for 3 days...). It'll boost your profits in the end by cutting down your expenses.Jack Dancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15759682366213590631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-12932515441949837262014-01-24T09:46:40.295+00:002014-01-24T09:46:40.295+00:00I just use public contracts to move my goods betwe...I just use public contracts to move my goods between trade hubs and post the contract in the haulers channel. Usually contracts get picked up within an hour. Completion time is normally less than a day. I post them with 550k per jump which is the regular rate in the haulers channel.<br /> <br />So the service is as fast as PushX with a fraction of the cost. Piter Presleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18025058537813378846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-48413815015187757592014-01-24T00:26:00.530+00:002014-01-24T00:26:00.530+00:00Gavin - you're not wrong, but there's stil...Gavin - you're not wrong, but there's still an opportunity cost associated with keeping your isk tied up in goods-in-transit. Which is to say that the money you have spend on those goods could be invested in another sale in the same time period. This was not mentioned in the article.<br /><br />Outside of EvE take a look at the Toyota's Just In Time production system where you minimize the amount of time assets are sitting idle or otherwise not being actively used for production.MagusSartorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01673050830884771563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-6467099985005948282014-01-23T21:13:19.411+00:002014-01-23T21:13:19.411+00:00I use regular jobs for my contracts with red frog,...I use regular jobs for my contracts with red frog, and when you are sending low volumes (in terms of cubic meters) between two trade hubs, they usually get finished within around 6 hours. I assume this is because when they pick up a high volume rush job between the trade hubs, they can usually still fit extra contracts if they are small enough in volume. <br /><br />This assumes that you are trading smaller items like blueprints, implants, or skill books etc., but I've never had a regular contract with red from take more than around 12 hours, so I just set up my hauling jobs before I go to bed, and they are almost always done in the morning. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-5510031831296915142014-01-23T18:48:27.355+00:002014-01-23T18:48:27.355+00:00Interesting analysis, but I'd like to point ou...Interesting analysis, but I'd like to point out a couple of assumptions that may have biased your example to favor the rush job. First, you assume that the regular contract will take the full 3 days to arrive (based on terms of the contract). Thus, each regular cycle takes 13 days, earning you 94.2m after hauling fees, or 7.25m/day on a 400m investment. In contrast, you assume that the rush job arrives instantly, rather than allowing a full 1 day (again from the contract terms). Your assumption leads to a 10-day cycle earning 79.2m profit, or 7.92m/day. However, if you allow one full day for the load to arrive, an 11-day cycle earns the same 79.2m but is only 7.2m/day, slightly less than the daily return with regular loads.<br /><br />To go further with this, you might consider using average completion times rather than the allowed completion times under the contracts. You can probably (not in-game to confirm at the moment) get this data from your contract history, assuming that you’ve used both types of contracts in the past and can identify which contracts were regular or rush..<br /><br />Second, you assume that you earn the same operating margins (20% before hauling fees) in both cases, although your volume is 30% higher with rush contracts (10-day cycle vs. 13-day cycle). Depending on what you’re selling and what share of the market you have, increasing your volume might require higher buy prices in Jita or lower sell prices in Dodixie to move it all in the same time frame (and/or more effort in managing your orders).<br /><br />I'm not trying to argue that rush orders are a bad idea, but it may not be as clear cut as your example suggests. The advantage would also depend on the ISK value of your shipment (as you mention at the end), how quickly your items sell, etc. I assume that your example approximates your current practices, but it may be worthwhile to play around with the numbers for a little sensitivity analysis.<br />Cap'n Tradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17043446840217649683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-78350022115437392642014-01-23T14:12:30.771+00:002014-01-23T14:12:30.771+00:00I think you've missed the point, Gavin. The a...I think you've missed the point, Gavin. The argument being made is that, for any given investment, you can turn it over faster using the rush job option and thereby make more profit because you can repeat the cycle more quickly, as opposed to the less expensive but more time consuming regular job.<br /><br />The point is valid whether you run one investment cycle at a time, or run overlapping ones.Heretic Caldarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03015635188565858672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-85926658359299097992014-01-23T08:18:02.081+00:002014-01-23T08:18:02.081+00:00When the article started I assumed it was because ...When the article started I assumed it was because people undercut trying to get sales so every day prices get reduced by like 1%. If you take the slow lane someone else will overtake you and sell before you even arrive,Raziel Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02545370350482232205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-71449978489294073632014-01-23T05:32:07.088+00:002014-01-23T05:32:07.088+00:00If you know it takes 10 days to sell in Dodixie, a...If you know it takes 10 days to sell in Dodixie, and you know it takes 5 days to ship to Dodixie, then buy your next batch of stock in Jita 5 days before the current batch finishes selling.Gavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12986103558584967247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1597676555600759067.post-5719253529053554232014-01-23T05:29:10.064+00:002014-01-23T05:29:10.064+00:00You need to get more operating capital. Your prob...You need to get more operating capital. Your problem is that you wait until the items have sold before buying more in Jita.<br />Gavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12986103558584967247noreply@blogger.com