a blog of my experiences and observations of making ISK in Eve Online, from the beginning - three separate periods starting each time from zero and new alts (May 2013 - February 2017, started again in March 2019 - September 2019, and now started again in September 2020 onwards)
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Saturday, 19 July 2025
A new Industry blog "Manufacturing for Wealth: An EVE Online Industrialist's Log"
Saturday, 5 July 2025
Manufacturing update - June 2025
Monday, 16 June 2025
Manufacturing business - May update
I made sales of 26.2 billion isk, generating item profits of 7.6 billion isk (item profit = sales price less material costs of manufacture) and 2.7 billion isk of operating profits.
Wednesday, 4 June 2025
Manufacturing - taken the plunge
At the start of May, I took the plunge and I started up manufacturing properly.
May Numbers
I made sales of 26 billion isk and profits of 2.7 billion isk.
The Business Model - Revenues
I am going to use manufacturing to generate two types of revenue streams.
Firstly, to use it in the traditional manner of manufacturing an item and then putting it up for sale either in Jita or another of my trade locations directly.
Secondly, I will use it to effectively bring down the in-price of the items that I sell with my traditional trading business. So what I mean by this is it normally I buy from Sell orders in Jita and I courier those items out to all my trade locations and I put up for sale there. In this case of using manufacturing I will be able to get closer to the Buy price in Jita and therefore when I put those items up for sale in my trade locations I will command a greater margin. And therefore the way I will think about this is the difference between my manufacturing price and the Jita Sell order price will be the revenue for manufacturing business and then my trade operations take the usual profit of the difference between the Jita Sell order and what it manages to sell in its trade location.
Business Model - Manufacturing Locations
For now, my manufacturing will be done at a low sec location close to Hek and in Jita.
I have still not really worked out how best to transport high volume raw materials or minerals to my low sec location therefore for now where the item requires high volumes of minerals I will be using Jita until I get my head around all of this.
Business Model - types of item I will manufacture
Therefore the type of item I manufacture will be very similar to the business model are using my trade operations. In other words I will not be manufacturing high volume items. I’ll be manufacturing items that aren’t for sale in my normal trade locations and where the manufacturing price is closer to the buy price at Jita.
In other words high value, low volume, low competition, slow moving items.
Keeping track of profits
Because the vast majority of my profits will be made through my normal trading activities I will need to think of a way of keeping track of my manufacturing profits that doesn’t require me putting in individual items into a spreadsheet.
The way I’ve decided to do this is I will resurrect an old character, in fact my first character called croda as it happens, and I will use that character to purchase all the materials I’ll be using. I’ll leave that character in Alpha at the moment - update, i have now upgraded this to Omega.
This character will then contract all the raw materials free of cost to my Omega characters who are high on manufacturing skills.
Those characters will manufacture the item. it doesn’t matter who manufactures the items, I will capture all the manufacturing costs through the Excel addin.
Once the item is manufactured the finished item will be contracted back to the Alpha account Croda who sell it back to my Omega accounts who can then courier it to the trade location to be sold.
Therefore, using the Excel Aladdin, I can keep a track of all the wrong material costs all the manufacturing costs and all the revenues that the manufacturing generates for me.
. . . . . . now that i have upgraded that account to Omega which also has Trade Characters in Dodixie and Hek, i will be using these characters to sell the items as best i can.
Observations to date
I am just starting up so I have a lot of items I need to manufacture to put up for sale in my normal trade locations.
So you would expect almost all my revenues in manufacturing at this point to be internal sales from my manufacturing operation to my trade operation and therefore effectively you’d expect all my revenues in these initial months to be the difference between the Jita sale price and the Jita purchase price because the manufacturing effectively means I’m bringing these items into my operation at the Jita buy price.
Monday, 7 April 2025
Manufacturing - going for it
Saturday, 1 March 2025
Manufacturing Taxes / System Index
There are four types of "taxes" directly related to Manufacturing: System Index; Facility Tax; SCC surcharge; Alpha Clone Tax.
Sunday, 23 February 2025
Starting Manufacturing
In Eve, manufacturing is the process whereby raw materials are taken and combined to form new items which either are the final end product or components to combine further to make the end product.
There were three drivers of this renewed attempt at going into Manufacturing:
Saturday, 22 October 2022
Starting in Manufacturing
Saturday, 23 April 2022
The Next Steps: Planetary Interaction and Reactions
Tuesday, 8 December 2020
youtube videos - Eve Online: Building my industrial empire
Sunday, 22 March 2015
Update on my Business Activities in Eve
Worth recalling that the aim of my business activities is to spend no more than 45 minutes a weekday on Eve + each activity must be able to generate at least enough ISK to purchase a Plex a month.
Manufacturing
This is working well. I make up to 15bn ISK per month for what is half an hours work each evening.
I am slowly expanding the set of items i manufacture to sell. I make good margins here though they are slow moving (just how i like it).
Currently, i sell in the 4 trade Hubs + 4 other regions, though i may scale back in Jita given it is quite competitive.
Trading
This was where i started but i am now winding it down. The big constraint i now face is that real life (i.e. work) is taking up more and more of my free time whether it be working at home or business travel.
Part of trading is to constantly review what I am selling and filter out the low margin items and find new high margin items to sell - that needs a degree of focus and travelling on business does detract from that!
Hence, for now i will focus on a few highly valued items (i.e. prices over 500m ISK).
Planetary Interaction
In all i made 1.7bn ISK profit from Planetary Interaction. Mainly hauling P2 materials to my factory planets and selling the resulting P3 materials produced. Occasionally I would haul P3 items and sell the resulting P4 items.
I am able to make enough a month to finance a Plex whilst spending very little time on it - which is my aim.
This could be a real ISK maker. So, once i review the set up i suspect i will keep this going.
The margins are about 20% - so pretty healthy.
Plex Trading
I made about 26m ISK through buying and selling 21 Plex until real life caused me to move on.
At this stage i will leave it on the back burner and see if i can get it to work more efficiently at a later stage.
It is a useful business to park surplus ISK into though the margins are very low (1-3% after all costs).
Mining
It has crossed my mind that i do spend about 3 hours a day working from home in the evening and many hours working at home in the weekend.
Therefore, i have decided to start mining and see if i can get this to operate in the background whilst i work.
I plan to get my two alts in Jita (on different accounts) set up for mining and see what i can make with them both out on the job.
At this stage, i am viewing it as playing Eve in the background and making ISK whilst i do.
Back of the envelope calculations suggest that this should achieve the goal of making a Plex a month. We will see.
(i have to admit, when i watch the video clips of miners, it does look incredibly relaxing! Could be tricky to weave into trying to work at home in the evening though).
The results
More of this in another post, but in summary my monthly profits vary from 16bn ISK to literally nil. 16bn if i am not on business travel, nil if i am away at lot!
The chart below shows the monthly profit i make since i started back in May 2013.
My ultimate goal is to make enough ISK to buy a Plex a day whilst constraining myself to the 45 minutes per week night.
I suspect this is achievable.
Of course, an underlying goal is to enjoy my time in Eve - which is being met. So good news there.
Saturday, 6 September 2014
Eve Business Blogs - updated
In total, i added 1 new blog - the eve industrialist
If anyone is aware of other Eve business blogs (any blog that has a reasonable element of making ISK in Eve online) then do let me know.
The list is also below (and on my blog roll >>>>):
1 | A noob's tale in eve | General Business Blog |
2 | A Scientist's Life in Eve | Industrial Blog |
3 | Deep in EVE | General Business Blog |
4 | Eve Bumbler | General Business Blog |
5 | Eve Mogul | General Business Blog |
6 | EVE Plex in 21 Days | Trading Blog |
7 | EVE Simplified | General Business Blog |
8 | EVE-fail | Trading & Industry Blog |
9 | Evehermit | Trading Blog |
10 | EvePLEX | Trading Blog |
11 | Foo's Eve Musings | General Business Blog |
12 | Fuzzwork Enterprises | Industrial Blog |
13 | Greedy goblin | General Business Blog |
14 | K162space | Industrial Blog |
15 | Low Sec Lifestyle | General Business Blog |
16 | Mabrick's Mumblings | General Business Blog |
17 | Manufacturing Confusion | Industrial Blog |
18 | Markets for ISK | General Business Blog |
19 | Merchant Monarchy | Trading Blog |
20 | Prosper: An EVE Online Tool Development Blog | Industrial Blog |
21 | Spaceships & Spreadsheets | General Business Blog |
22 | The Chronicles | General Business Blog |
23 | The Eve Industrialist | Industrial Blog |
24 | The Indecisive Noob | General Business Blog |
25 | The Lazy Pilot | Industrial Blog |
26 | tothebreach | General Business Blog |
27 | Twenty five Tons of Heavy Steel | General Business Blog |
28 | Vahrokh Vain | General Business Blog |
29 | Valkrrs Eve Industrial Journal | Industrial Blog |
30 | Yinmatook's EVE Wanderings | General Business Blog |
(For what it is worth, in its day the business blogs on World of Warcraft numbered many more though i notice there are very much fewer in recent times).
Sunday, 13 July 2014
June 2014 Update
This month my holding in Plex generated 1.9bn of the 8.7bn growth in my wealth. My Plex holding is 72 Plex worth 54.4bn.
Real life commitments at work has kept February through to June slow -having hoped July would be free i will now be on overseas business trips four times.
During these months i only sold the T1 items i manufacture and only traded other items where i made at least 15m ISK profits and 20% margins.
Going forwards that is changing to focusing solely on the T1 items i manufacture and only selling items that sell for over 100m ISK with 20% margins.
My strategy is to focus on low volume but high margin items that i either manufacture or buy (off sell orders) in Jita to sell in Dodixie / Hek / Rens / Amarr.
I don't have any standings of note - for this trading strategy saving a percent here or there is not key. To reduce my costs of trading i have trained all my alts that post sell orders to Broker 4 and Accounting 4.
For those able to devote much more time to Eve, one way of reading this blog is to see how little time is required to generate sufficient ISK to plex your own account.
I have 2 accounts with 6 alts in total.
- One one account: I have a trader at Dodixie and a trader at Hek which sell items that have been hauled there from Jita; and I have a manufacturer in the Lonetrek region that sells items in Jita and sends items to the traders in Dodixie, Hek, Amarr and Rens to sell. This manufacturer also doubles up as my buyer in Jita.
- On the other account: I have an alt that is getting into Planetary Interaction; I have an alt that is skilling up in Invention which currently sits in Amarr to sell the items manufactured by my Lonetrek manufacturer; and i now also have an alt that sits in Rens to also sell the items manufactured by my Lonetrek manufacturer.
I am now buying 1 Plex a month to finance my two accounts. So, 750m ISK per month costs going forwards. I do occasionally benefit from some kind soul upgrading their account having used the link to the right >>>>>>>>>
Plex: As of the end of June i held 72 Plex at a cost of 49.2bn ISK which at 756m per Plex was then worth 54.4bn ISK. In other words, my holding in Plex has made me 5.2bn since i started investing in Plex at the end of February.
My biggest headache was that i was sitting on too much ISK which was not invested in the market. I had up to 35bn ISK in my wallet which was dead money. At most i need to hold 10bn ISK to finance my business, the other 25bn or so is surplus to requirements.
I know two things about that ISK. Firstly, it will be there tomorrow with no chance of making a profit (or a loss). Secondly, there is inflation in Eve so in effect it is not keeping up with the cost of living in Eve - in other words, its value to me in the future is lower than its value to me today.
So far, Plex is the best item i can find that (in the medium to long term) is the best asset to keep up with inflation in Eve.
However, during June i did not purchase additional Plex given i want to expand my trading business into higher value items and so will perhaps need the surplus ISK this month.
Dodixie trader: Life remains good and consistent
Items for sale fell to 14.3bn from 17.8bn which reflects me selling down my holdings in items valued below 100m ISK without yet replacing them with items valued at over 100m ISK.
I sell T1 manufactured items that my manufacturer makes in Lonetrek, and going forwards any other item that sells for over 100m ISK and makes a 20% profit margin.
This alt pays 0.80% broker fees to post an order and a further 0.90% sales tax on a successful sale.
There are no medium term goals for this alt – for now i will focus on the manufactured items from my alt in Lonetrek and selling expensive items hauled from Jita.
Training - this alt is training for missions. Currently doing Level 4 missions.
Hek trader: Life remains good and consistent
Items for sale were flat at 15bn ISK.
I sell T1 manufactured items that my manufacturer makes in Lonetrek, and going forwards any other item that sells for over 100m ISK and makes a 20% profit margin. Other than the manufactured items, there are very few common items i sell in Dodixie and Hek.
Pays 0.80% broker fees to post an order and a further 0.90% sales tax on a successful sale. No longer training.
Amarr Trader: Back down to normal
Only really fully started up in mid December and focuses solely on items manufactured by my alt in the Lonetrek region. During June this alt's sales were 6.0bn ISK vs prior months 7.1bn ISK and i suspect the profits were 2.0bn ISK vs prior months 3.0bn ISK.
Items for sale at the month end were flat at 11bn.
Pays 0.75% broker fees to post an order and a further 0.90% sales tax on a successful sale. During the month i increased Accounting to Level 4 and Broker Relations to Level 5 to reduce those fees / taxes.
Rens Trader: back also to more normal levels
Started just before xmas and also focuses solely on items manufactured by my alt in the Lonetrek region. During June this alt made sales of 3.8bn vs prior month of 5.2bn ISK and i suspect profits of 1.7bn ISK vs prior month of 3.0bn. Items for sale at the month end were flat at 7bn ISK.
Rens is a slower trade up so i did not expect to see great things - but being able to earn enough to buy two Plex per month is no bad thing.
I have no plans to expand into selling other items - i will stick to selling the items my manufacturer produces.
Pays 0.8% broker fees to post an order and a further 0.9% sales tax on a successful sale.
No longer in training.
This alt sells its items in Jita and contracts to Push Industries to haul items to the traders in Dodixie / Hek / Amarr / Rens to sell.
This alt may have plateaued at 6 to 8bn ISK sales per month for now though June was low. During the month it made sales of 4.2bn (vs 7.3bn ISK in the prior month) and estimated profits of 2.0bn vs prior month of about 3.0bn ISK. It currently has 9bn of sell orders, similar to May.
And all this takes is 15 minutes update time a day.
I have seeded a new market in Lonetrek - lets see how that goes. It is volatile at present - June sales were 1.0bn with profits of about 0.5bn compared to May of 1.5bn and profits of about 0.7bn ISK.
This alt used to be my buyer in Jita. He is now fully skilled for Planetary Interation and i am experimenting with it all for now.
Outlook: July is going to be real busy for me in RL (again!), hence i suspect i will be lucky to make over 5bn. I have a holiday in the last week of June so it will be interesting to see how much i can make with some more time online.
Current Wealth:
- Plex x1 = 0.75bn ISK
* I take a 20% provision against the items I am selling. Eve calculates wealth by adding up the value of the sell orders hence it is possible to increase your wealth by buying an item for 100m ISK and putting a sell order for 120m ISK (in this case your wealth would increase by 20m ISK). For me, I want my wealth to be calculated at cost until i finally hold it as ISK. I know that the value of my sell orders will likely fall over time as I update my orders downwards as competition reduces their prices before my items are sold. Hence the 20% provision is my best guess as to what cost is or at least the maximum reduction I would need to make to my sell orders as a whole before they are sold.